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	<title>Comments on: For Reported Civilian Fatalities, 7 and 21 are the Magic Numbers, Not 30</title>
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		<title>By: Susan Simpson</title>
		<link>http://viewfromll2.com/2009/12/11/for-reported-civilian-fatalities-7-and-21-are-the-magic-numbers-not-30/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are for sure, but if you google around using the word &quot;militants&quot; instead, you will see there really isn&#039;t much support there for the 30 theory, either, nor is there if you use &quot;taliban&quot; or &quot;insurgents&quot; or other substitutions.

I focused on &quot;civilians&quot; in this post, because I was interested particularly in the claims about 30 civilians being the cut off on the amount of collateral damage allowed before a sign off from someone higher on the chain of command is required.

The major point was, you can find a couple dozen articles on &quot;x militants killed&quot; for any number for X that you choose. As far as I can tell, there&#039;s nothing unique about 30 in that regard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are for sure, but if you google around using the word &#8220;militants&#8221; instead, you will see there really isn&#8217;t much support there for the 30 theory, either, nor is there if you use &#8220;taliban&#8221; or &#8220;insurgents&#8221; or other substitutions.</p>
<p>I focused on &#8220;civilians&#8221; in this post, because I was interested particularly in the claims about 30 civilians being the cut off on the amount of collateral damage allowed before a sign off from someone higher on the chain of command is required.</p>
<p>The major point was, you can find a couple dozen articles on &#8220;x militants killed&#8221; for any number for X that you choose. As far as I can tell, there&#8217;s nothing unique about 30 in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: curv3ball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[curv3ball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But didn&#039;t the crank say roughly 30 militants, and you&#039;re pointing to the number of civilians.

Aren&#039;t militants and civilians, at least ostensibly, different categories?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But didn&#8217;t the crank say roughly 30 militants, and you&#8217;re pointing to the number of civilians.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t militants and civilians, at least ostensibly, different categories?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Simpson</title>
		<link>http://viewfromll2.com/2009/12/11/for-reported-civilian-fatalities-7-and-21-are-the-magic-numbers-not-30/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your post Nancy!

I am by no means any sort of statistician -- I wouldn&#039;t trust the reliability of that graph to show anything beyond a lack of support for the &quot;30 deaths&quot; rumor going around. At this point I&#039;m inclined to say that, if anything, there is only a very small effect happening, with strikes killing 31 or 32 people being reported as 30. It is just way too easy to cherry pick news stories that report N deaths, so I don&#039;t think the long lists of military operations that kill exactly 30 people have any significance.

I still wonder a little about the 7 result, though. It is high enough where I am not sure it can be dismissed as coincidence, but I can&#039;t think of any possible significance it might have, aside from some quirk in how Google results are tallied.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post Nancy!</p>
<p>I am by no means any sort of statistician &#8212; I wouldn&#8217;t trust the reliability of that graph to show anything beyond a lack of support for the &#8220;30 deaths&#8221; rumor going around. At this point I&#8217;m inclined to say that, if anything, there is only a very small effect happening, with strikes killing 31 or 32 people being reported as 30. It is just way too easy to cherry pick news stories that report N deaths, so I don&#8217;t think the long lists of military operations that kill exactly 30 people have any significance.</p>
<p>I still wonder a little about the 7 result, though. It is high enough where I am not sure it can be dismissed as coincidence, but I can&#8217;t think of any possible significance it might have, aside from some quirk in how Google results are tallied.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
		<link>http://viewfromll2.com/2009/12/11/for-reported-civilian-fatalities-7-and-21-are-the-magic-numbers-not-30/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nancy Lebovitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for doing further research. 

I&#039;ve posted about your graph at &lt;a href=&quot;http://nancylebov.livejournal.com/381978.html?view=2322458#t2322458&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my livejournal&lt;/a&gt;, and there&#039;s some discussion of whether the number of google hits gives meaningful information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for doing further research. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted about your graph at <a href="http://nancylebov.livejournal.com/381978.html?view=2322458#t2322458" rel="nofollow">my livejournal</a>, and there&#8217;s some discussion of whether the number of google hits gives meaningful information.</p>
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